Thanks Nova I'll take your advice and try having a few days break. I set the alarm last night for 6 hours good sleep, got up and read for 30 minutes then back to bed..Another fail alas but I'm determined to succeed again, having that first phase and knowing what it feels like has me longing for more...

Hi All my first post, I became interested in OBE's after reading several books on the subject some 6 weeks ago, I began by listening to the Monroe series but had little success. On Easter Sunday I stumbled upon the Lucid dreaming practical guidebook and started practicing Indirect techniques and to ...